Learning from a Late Sibling; Overcoming Dyslexia and a Massive Financial Setback with Matt Fore

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 Hey everyone, Jamie Bateman here. I am really excited about this episode. I just recorded with Matt for he's a friend of mine. We have got to know each other better over the last couple years and Matt is a part-time real estate. Investor more of a passive real estate investor he does. Well it is full time job in sales, and he has his own podcast and is really starting to build a brand. But certainly lives with an abundance mindset and has a growth mindset and is doing very well financially, but he's been through a lot of adversity as well. And, you know, we touch on his background, we talked about his sister and the death of his sister and their relationship and things that he took from situation. And then we talked about his condition of Dyslexia, and then we get into something that happened with a commission check or More accurately didn't happen. Some adversity, he faced with that where he was expecting a significant amount of money from his previous employer years ago and didn't happen. So how do you navigate all that mean and rebound and put yourself in the position you're in now, where he is now, I should say that's what we talked about, he drops a ton of Truth bombs, a lot of mindsets based stuff. I mean he's an Ironman athlete and just a go-getter and I appreciate him spending the time with me and I appreciate you spending the time to listen and I hope you get as much value out of it as I did. That's an awesome guy and I can't wait for you to listen to this episode.

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 Abundance. Welcome everybody, to another episode of from adversity, to abundance podcast. I am your host Jamie Bateman, and I am excited today to speak with a friend of mine, Matt for of ice cream with investors his podcast. Matt, how are you doing today? I am fantastic and so happy too excited to be here. Awesome. So Matt for our listeners, you know, the to listeners who are unfamiliar with you, everybody else knows who you are. But if you could give us a little bit of context as far as who you are today and what you're up to. Yeah. So I guess I will start with saying that I am a leader at a Fortune 50 company today and sales organization and that's really fun. I get to chance to lead 10 people and interact with an organization of about 50 and co-lead some of those folks. But on the side I am also an Ironman triathlete. So for users that might be unaware of that. That's a 2.4 mile swim. 112 mile bike 26.2 mile run. Yes it's all. In a single event all in a single day. And then also, if that wasn't enough, I also invest in real estate and host the podcast ice cream with investors. Awesome. So the closest I have gotten to an Ironman is watching my sister. Do an Ironman distance Triathlon, which we have talked about, we drove there. I went out to lunch, watch a movie, went out to dinner, and then she was still doing the events. I have basically done the same thing, but yeah. But no, it's a I wanted to have you on the show. I mean, because, you know, we have chatted a bunch of times and you were on the Good Deeds show with Chris and me and I know you have been through some adversity just like we all have and all of our stories are different, and we're going to get into that. But I know you have kind of rebounded in a lot of ways and gotten to an abundance mindset and you're always growing and looking at opportunities for growth and you love real estate and investing and small. Business and podcasts, and we have a lot in common, so I am excited to get into it. So, for the listeners out there, can you get into your background a little bit for us? Yeah, sure. So, I will give you the short and sweet and you take me wherever you want me to go. But I grew up in a really, really small town in southern West Virginia. Not West Virginia, southern Western Virginia and it's a town of about 10,000 people. I mean it was a good place to live as people would know it if I, that's the town slogan but also it was really tough. I mean, it is a It has been blasted over by globalization. There was a big mole, coal, mining community in that area. And as we have continued to find different alternative sources of energy, it is definitely just been left behind and globalization. So I was very fortunate to grow up in that environment. And with two parents that absolutely love me. But it also showed me what the other side of life is like beyond that I grew up dyslexic, and I am a twin and my twin brother was valedictorian, he was valedictorian of his law school at University of Michigan. And he's been a part of a couple Supreme Court cases at this point in his career. So when you grow up dyslexic and that's who your twin brother, is it also put like a little bit of context over how unfortunate I felt being dyslexic, but also I had a sister that was mentally disabled as well. So I am sure we will get into this part of the story. She tragically past three and a half years ago now, at this point, but I was very fortunate to have a family that loved me and kind of moved over to Knoxville with the University of Tennessee, after that. And then started. My W2 job in Nashville, Tennessee. Back in 2009. The rest. They say is history. Yeah, I don't know if I knew some of that. That's interesting about I didn't know that about your brother. What's can you give me his contact information? No I am joking. He is smarter and better-looking than your mother loves me more so it kind of doesn't. There we go. So you mentioned your sister and you know it's always a touchy on this show. I don't Want to, you know, drill into topics that are too difficult. But you did bring up that topic on our previous, show the good deed show. And I know that was obviously, you know, situation that was not easy for you. Could you talk about your relationship with your sister and how that went? Yeah, sure. So my sister was 8 years older than me. So she was always a constant in my life growing up. She was always in the house and I always New Whitney was different, but I don't really remember the specific. Well, I don't remember how old I was. I remember, the specific moment where I finally figured it out, that Whitney was different from others, and it was due to a slight tint, your temper tantrum, she threw and Toys R Us. But my sister was a very memorable part of my life. And I think when you grow up with somebody, that is mentally disabled and who has difficulty with the normal cognitive Ask that you take for granted every day in your life, it puts things in perspective, that maybe I should be grateful for the fact that I can wash my own hair tie. My own shoes. I can make the decision to be out in the car and drive myself to go get coffee or something like that. So yeah, I don't know where you kind of want to take it from there. But yeah, go ahead. Yeah. I mean, you know, and so she was 8 years older than you and then you said she passed away three years ago and what it, what did you learn? Your relationship with her. Yeah, I remember. I learned that no matter how big your difficulties, are you, there's always a counter advantage to your difficulties. So I will say that Whitney had the best memory of all time and I remember taking her to go get Starbucks, one time it to get her favorite coffee, which was a grande decaf for free, equal packets. And the GPS in my system, had me going straight through the right. She's like, we need to turn left. We need to turn left, and I was like, no, Whitney. The GPS says, we need to go straight but since we were at a red light, I pulled it up, and she was absolutely right. We need to go left. So even given my profession and Technology sales at always taught me that humans can be smarter than technology. I go specially. If you have a dumb human like myself, that can't work technology. But more importantly that people matter more than things when he didn't get excited about the Glamorous purses or things like that. She got excited when you got excited, when you got excited to see her, when you accomplish something when she hadn't seen you for the first time. I am in a long time and I think that's just some of the lessons that I have taken to her along the way. That's, that's really good. I mean, yeah, did an interview today, should be out, you know, I am guessing a week before this one but with a fuquan Bilal, and he that was one of the themes we came out of that episode as well. Is that people, you know, he's had ups and downs and financial success and you know, material success. But at the end of the day, it's people in relationships that Really matter. So that's really good. Go ahead. I don't know if it's just because I grew up in a small town, but I mean, I like material things more importantly than anything. I like really good food bourbon actually. I mean, a good person. Steak is just a nice thing to enjoy but I have never, really been driven by materialistic things. It's always been about for me, helping someone get to where they want to go or achieving your own goal that you thought at the outset of that goal was impossible. That's really Driven me. So to his point, the people in the things people matter more than things. Definitely what's your favorite bourbon? So dude, give me a pee good. Give me a good bourbon. Just, I mean, well, you can give me one as well. I will give you my address but tell me in a few good Bourbons, put it that way. So part of my sales territories Kentucky. So I will tell everybody right now that I am bourbon illiterate if you are in that part of the country, okay? Probably very bourbon Smart in your own time. Yeah. And we went to Do a bourbon tasting. Okay. With a customer over the weekend. It's a small place in Newport Kentucky called newberry's Coffee. Company are only open on Friday and Saturday nights from 6:00 to 9:00, and they have 6,000 different bottles of bourbon in the place. I mean, and it's the largest bourbon bar in North America. And so through that, we got to taste some very rare pappy. Pappy 2327 some of the top-end Bourbons. But if you had to ask my like staple, Go to Angels Enver. I, if I can find it's probably my favorite, a nice. Awesome. That's a high Rye bourbon or that's a rye, it's a rye, okay. Yeah. All right. Just making sure we did the Kentucky Bourbon Trail few years ago for my sister's birthday. That was really fun and I have learned a little bit over the last five or six years myself, but I see let us get you a nice Alliance. It's getting expensive though. So it is why you don't want to take the whole time to talk about bourbon. I mean, we could, but my knowledge is limited. I might be out of set talking points in the next two to three minutes got it. So, you know, we talked about your sister and that's, I mean, I, you know, I can't totally relate to that. It's just what you must have gone through over the years and then with their passing and but sounds like you're living your best life to honor her and you know, live with those takeaways of people being more important than things. What are some other examples of adversity that you have dealt with? Yeah there's two that as we were chatting before this that I kind of wrote down that we can chat through is one I grew up dyslexic and really dyslexic. I feel like as a catch-all term. For you have got an eight-year-old that doesn't really like schooling but as I started to scale I really feel like that was a challenge for me. Because I remember when I was in 11th grade, I was reading at a sixth grade level and so not in this Screenshot right here but in few tin screenshots that people have seen me on YouTube you can see I have stacks of books out there and the reason why is that every time I read a book, I never throw it away, growing up, dyslexic was a very big obstacle for me when I was growing up, but my mom used to always tell me about all these famous people that were dyslexic specifically Henry Ford. And so I just used that. As you can take that as an obstacle and be pushed down because of it or you can take that and use it for your advantage and how I kind of had used it for my advantages. I became decently good with technology. I kind of understand technology better than probably most and really just trying to interact with people. I was always outgoing. I was always the athletic kid growing up and things like that and while I still not great with people all the time of my do have a limited patience but use that for your advantage. So there's that, and then we can talk about the commission, check story if you want to as well. Yeah. So the ones that came to mind. So how do you use the dyslexic thing to your advantage? You just can you drill down on that a little bit more? Yeah I think it's because when I was a kid I wasn't I didn't really care about books and magazines and things like that. I used that time more to be outside and athletic and engage out of other kids got. And so, because of that, I always felt like I had a more outgoing personality than most and I got really good not today, but really good at like public speaking and So I have used those skills. It's funny. How when you do something as a kid and you kind of find interest in it and you never know where that's going to take you, how you end up using that skill when your future so public speaking. I was a bunch of part of a bunch of theater, a bunch of public debate and teams like that growing up. And that's essentially what I do today is I go around and publicly speak for sales motivation teams and things like that, but also to customers and on a podcast. So yeah, I was going to say your podcast. I feel like the word dyslexic. Thrown around. Like it's you know a lot of people say they have that condition but probably not. Yeah so yeah I can't I get that's definitely a real challenge but it sounds like you just basically didn't just to simplify it. I mean, it's at the risk of glossing over real adversity but it sounds like you just didn't focus on that as a you focused on your other strengths and you know, catered your activity toward those strengths that you had And develop those and now you're in sales and run your own podcast. Yeah, I like to think of strengths and weaknesses and a couple different buckets. Strengths are the things that you're naturally good at weaknesses, come into two different buckets. There, the weaknesses in that, you're naturally bad at and it doesn't make sense for you to ever spend time getting better at it and then there're weaknesses where you're naturally bad at. But if you spend some time evolving, you can become decent at it or at least serviceable. So for me, for instance, I am not a drawer. I am colorblind. I am a terrible to I am colorblind. There you go. So I am terrible at Art. I was never going to be an artist and things like that. Even if I spent countless hours going down, that path of trying to be good at that. I would end up like, Rudy would have had one play where I did something great, but then ultimately had the skill set, that wouldn't have serviced me for what my career ended up being we're reading. I feel like is something where I am still a very slow reader. I mean it takes me a very long time to get through a book or a PDF or Something like that and that's maybe why I listen to it on a podcast and videos versus reading and there're some advantages and disadvantages there but it made sense for me at the age of twenty. One twenty-two is when I really started becoming a reader to get good at that skill because that is something that helps me, mentally process, critical thinking and everything is ton in written form. So if you don't know how to read, or can't quickly analysis to analyze something based off of written form, then it, yeah, we're going to be stuck behind It's really interesting. I actually had I don't think I have heard that before as far as because I do actually run into that myself. As far as you know Tim Ferriss and the 4-Hour workweek is like don't and I don't actually think I read the book to be fair to Tim when he listens to this sorry. Tim. But you know it's like do you I think that the general theme is that you shouldn't Focus, you shouldn't focus on getting better. You know just focus on your strengths and only focus on what you Enjoy doing what you're good at. But I have always struggled with that because, you know why not improve on some of your weaknesses. That's really interesting that you divide that weaknesses into two different buckets and decide which ones you're going to focus on as far as improving and which ones you're going to. Hey, just let go. It's okay. Yep, there're things that you need to Outsource and there're things you at least need to understand at a high level or have some kind of Competency. And if it's a weakness, Out to the other one that you mentioned on our Good Deeds show. I think early on in that episode your commission. Check, let us talk about that. Yeah, so I went to clarify before I tell the story that this is not the company I work for today. So click quick, disclaimer, if you found me on LinkedIn, this is not the company I work for today, but I worked at a previous technology company where we were a part of a huge net, new acquisition account, and it was a 10 million dollar deal and I did some quick math, because being dyslexic, I am a little bit better with numbers. Than I am with words. I did the math in my eyes started lighting up on the commission. Check, I was about to receive and how I got into investing was I was like man, that's life-changing money. I can't have that sitting in a checking account somewhere because if I do then I will just end up spending it. So I went down the path of figuring out like what investments I could do it. I looked at whole life insurance policies. I looked at annuities, I looked at stocks and I ultimately landed on real estate but then I got that faithful call the week of Christmas from my VP. It said you weren't going to get this commission. Check instead, I was going to get paid two cents on the dollar. Now, I have never publicly said the number but it is a life-changing amount of money. And, so I asked at the time, I was like, wait a minute, what happened here? And they said, Matt, how much money have you made this year? And I told him, and he said, well, isn't that enough? And it was at that point that I realized, if I wanted to achieve the goals that I wanted to achieve if I wanted to give back abundantly to the causes that I care about. If I wanted to go pursue the activities that give me passion. Passion in life and things like that, then I was going to have to find a supplementary income. That would at least offset this ever. This kind of incident ever happened to me again. That is yeah. And, you know, Matt shared with me the number, so I will put it in the show notes. No, I am not kidding, I am kidding. But that is. Yeah, I mean, that's so. And how long were you expecting that? Like how was it six months that you were looking forward to that commission, check? Oh yeah, yeah. At least six months because I paid on shipping and all that kind of stuff. So we had bought the deal, it had the ship and then I knew it was going to go through some kind of exception policy because every big Corporation says basically, at any time they can change how much you get paid change your quota, change your territories, all that kind of stuff. So I knew there was going to be an exception process on that. I just didn't expect the two cents on the dollar commission, insane. And the fact that you're your boss, right? Said that to you that, I mean, that's just, that's not. I mean, it's just clearly saying we Don't care about you as a human. So you're not saying they did anything illegal per se, but probably I will put words in your mouth. Probably unethical immoral. Definitely not. It's not Model Behavior. In my opinion that's my opinion. Yeah and look, we were chatting before where I grew up even the amount of money that I was paid and commission was disappointing but it was still a good deal of money, and I am not upset. Then. They made a decision that I was that money was worth more than my contribution and I think that's okay. That's that was their business decision. At the end of the day I drained them for resources, networks people, skill sets, I took a bunch of trainings on their dime afterwards and things like that. So I think pain when viewed in the right, light can be a motivator and you should look at the things that you can balance out in the situation. Maybe that's the theme of this. This podcast is When you have some kind of issue that happens to you, look at some others form that you can at least Salvage it and get some goodness out of it. Yeah, so the reason you were getting into looking at alternative Investments, like real estate was, you were going to get a good chunk of change will say but that didn't happen. So then did you immediately say well I don't need to do anything in real estate. Or how did you move forward mentally and with action? Yeah, that train was far past after I decided to get the news, so I was already looking at properties. I had done a bunch of (podcast) in a bunch of reading and figuring out what I wanted to do. So I actually four months after that instance, made my first down payment, on a real estate property and the down payment on that was it was 210 thousand dollar homes. It was forty-two thousand dollars. I think I only put 20, not 25% down and I remember. During that time a lot of folks saying, like, aren't you worried about 2008? Aren't you worried about losing it? Tall. What if the tenant calls you in the middle of night? All that sort of stuff? And, you know, as I have joked about in the past, 42 thousand dollars is about the cost of an MBA at a public school these days. So I figured hey, if I lost all that money, which I don't think you will ever get real estate will never go to zero. So I didn't think I was going to lose all of that money, but I think when I thought about it in that lens, it's like okay, well, I will learn a lot more about how to buy a property, how to evaluate a property, how to run a property, how to manage it all the different things? Things that go into it and that is at least as good worthy as an MBA. Sure. So then, as you were, so that was four months after the, the non basically non-existent commission check. How were you viewing that? That non-existent commission. Check at that point and going forward. Yeah, I still, I am still a little upset to say that I am not bitter about it would be a lie. I wish I was big enough person that said I forgave and forgot, right? But under I am not, I definitely thought about how many multiple properties I could have bought with that same commission checked. In fact, what was upsetting about the situation as different people on the deal. Got paid different amount. So while I got paid two cents on the dollar, somebody got fully paid, another person got 50 cents on the dollar kind of thing and I know that person ended up going out there and buying, two different apartment complexes with that money. So well, I definitely thought about that in the past but hey, ultimately, one of the books, I remember reading when I was a kid in seventh grade, As a how to invest in the stock market book, and I remember finishing the book, it was like the only book I ever read in middle school, might have been the only book I read until I got to college kind of thing and I found that very interesting so it was very it's kind of interesting to look back at your life and say hey this interest that I had as a kid investing now that I am an adult and can go do some of this stuff, how it scratches a niche and how I am actually more interested in that. So I view it. As a positive that it led me down this rabbit hole that him. Currently on. Yeah. Now that's awesome. And then had it and then how did your real estate investing progressed? He could give us the, you know, the short version to where you got where you are today? That would be great. Yeah, I am not sure when this will are, but today, I am invested in 550 units across the southeast and part of your real estate, note fun and part of a couple of different Fix and Flip funds as well. So I lend out private Capital to folks that want to go out there and fix them flip and then hypothecation of a note. So What I found interesting about the real estate space is when I first got into it, I thought it was buying hold a property or by a buy it and then fix it up and flip it. I had no idea that it was so much more than that. And I mean we are talking about a multi-trillion dollar industry in the United States alone and there's so many different facets of getting involved in it. That I think that's what I love about it. It's not a cookie cutter approach. You can be as creative as you want to be. There's so many sub niches within the niche itself. Yeah. And I love that you can do you know someone like you're not a full time? Real estate investor. You do well at your W-2 job and you enjoy that job and but you're able to do it passively or at least as a side you know side hustle kind of thing. That's I say that almost every podcast episode that I am on is that I just love that. It's not a one-size-fits-all there, you can fit real estate investing. Note investing or even just small business in general. Fitted into your lifestyle and you can, you know, there's so many ways to approach it and what you're doing right now is it's going to look drastically different in 10 years, you know, I mean, I for both of us. So I love that part of it as well. 100%, one of the things to your point about investing, passively and things like that is, I think once you figure out the money problem in your life, you can start living intentionally. And what I mean by that, is by the age of 31, I was quote-unquote, financially free, which just as a simple definition men. That I could pay for my bills and eat ramen noodles and never take a vacation for the rest of my life. That's not personally, the life I choose to live but certainly at the age of 31 solving, the money problem helped me be more intentionally with the things that I wanted to do. For instance, started taking money out of my paycheck, to make sure that the organization that took care of my sister was receiving. Some of my benefits that I got throughout my life from having her in it, for instance, being more intentional like having podcast and getting to have interesting conversations with People and grow my network, I wouldn't have been able to do that, but also I think it's like showing up intentionally for your spouse, your kids and at work I mean I think all of us have been put in a situation where we felt a little compromise, that a work situation. How do you react when that in that situation when, you know, you have to have that to have the money coming in to survive versus? How would you react to that? Knowing that if the design decision you made left you without a job, you would at least be financially safe to have a roof over your and food on the table. And I tell the story all the time in 2020 and March of 2020, When My Equity portfolio is down. 45%, and I was watching folks that I had known for years, get laid off both inside and outside of organizations that I was a part of I went and say I wasn't nervous. But at the end of the day, I was able to sleep at night because I knew that my home. I would enough money coming in for my investments to have a home over my head and food on the table. Mmm. Yeah, that's great. About how much time do you spend per week on your investment stuff? Not your podcast with your Investments less than an hour. It's awesome. Yeah, I mean it is not a ton at all, so I will the hardest part is doing the books. Yeah. Oh, I am staring at the folders of books right now that I have my bookkeeping. Yeah. Yeah, it's not my favorite thing, but if you're making money, it can be a little more exciting at least. Yeah. All right. Well as we start to wrap up, Up here, are there any other instances of adversity you want to talk about? We could go into a whole bunch of them around Iron Man, and we were joking before the podcast and let me just rephrase that. I think everybody's adversity is different, right? For sure. I am to some of your guests on the show. I haven't had any adversity and I will be the first person to say that. I mean, the fact that I was born in America meant that, I had the odds stacked in my favor. So I just want a phrase that but because of that, Got really interested in Iron Man's because I wanted to find a way to proactively find my limits and test myself. The push myself out there. And I like to tell people when I tell them Iron Man are like, oh my gosh, I could never do that. How long have you been doing that? What your time, all that kind of stuff? I am like, look the longer I do this in the faster. I get, it doesn't get easier. You just get faster. And I mean, I have been on several rides of 100 miles where I feel like I am in Tip-Top State shape and best shape of my life. And then, You get towards the end of that ride and you're like, man, this stinks and I have got nothing left in the gas. I would encourage everyone out there to find little parts of their life that they can disrupt to make themselves mentally sharp and agile for those situations. And if you don't know one, I will give you one right now. Try brushing your teeth with your left hand or your non-dominant hand. Try switching the mouse, over your non-dominant hand, try standing on one foot and brushing your teeth, like those little actions seem small and in the grand scheme of the adversity of the Is that you have on your show are small, but their situations and things that you can do that will better set yourself up to be resilient in those times of adversity when you have them. Yeah, that's really good. Yeah, I mean, the truth is like, with the show, this is, I think my fifth episode and what I am finding is whether intentionally or not, I am looking around kind of measuring people's adversity and then measuring their abundance. You know how much hardship is met for gone through? Does he meet the threshold of being on? My podcast is he and living in an Abundant Life enough to be on my podcast, you know, and it but it's the end of the day. It's like, like you said, we all go through adversity. And that's, that's kind of the point of the show is everyone is, is guaranteed to go through hardship and everyone's story is going to be different. So yes, we will compare its human nature and, you know, it's we all have relative thinking we think in a relative way, but there's But just because you, you know, haven't been shot five times like fuquan Bilal, that doesn't mean you haven't been through hardship. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, that's I love the, I don't love that. You had to go through hardship, but I love how you reacted to it and handled it, and you do have a growth mindset. Every time we interact, it's always like a positive and, you know, inspiring interaction for me. So I appreciate that. I am just to fire off a few quick questions for you and we will see what a see where it goes. And then we will wrap it up. Sounds good. If you could have coffee, now, this is like your ice cream question. I think if you could have coffee with any historical figure, who would you choose? I am going to give you three. Okay? Martin Luther King Junior. Nelson Mandela. And Dick Winters from Band of Brothers. I don't know. Ice okay. Awesome. I always wanted to make the joke when I listen to your show and you say dead or alive. I want to say, I will choose a life, I don't think a dead person a great that's you know, who didn't mention when we throw a fourth in there. And since my last night for I get, I get out there and do that not historical still alive. Dave Chappelle. Oh, thanks Dave Chappelle It's Dave, Chappelle is wicked, wicked, smart, Yahweh. He tells Stories the way he sets up a joke. Like, I am just a student of Comedy. I love how people. Yeah, communicate their art form and I think he's the best in the business by far. Yeah, no my wife and I enjoy his Netflix, you know, whenever he was a show on there and a man who had everything and out of principal said, I am not going to do this anymore and then came back on his own terms to still be at the top, like that's incredible. It's awesome. All right, if you were given ten million dollars tomorrow, what would you do with it? Make sure my parents are taken care of. I think they are at this stage in their life but you never know what could happen and then I am boring. I would probably invest it and then continue to work and do the things that I do. I would make sure that I invested it. So where my basic needs were taken care of, but I would still work. All right, then I am not going to give you 10 million that to 100 million. Now we're talking to you have a different story. Yeah. All right. What's a book? You would recommend for my audience. You already mentioned one, but any others that come to mind, I have a ton but I will recommend the one that's always sitting at my desk. It's the last lecture by Randy Posh and if you don't know the story, I am going to just give a high-level summary when you're in Academia and you retire. You give the last lecture, you give the things that you learned. You tell funny stories. And remember that time Jamie went to the women's bathrooms that amends, because he was so drunk just stuff like that, right? Randy Posh is giving his last lecture, and he is 35 years old. The reason why he's giving his because he has pancreatic cancer, and he's going to die in eight months, and he starts out that story. And then he goes through, and he's like and you shouldn't be sad for me because everything I wanted to do in my life. I got a chance to achieve I got to go into space I got to be a an imagineer at Disney. I got to have a family all these different things and it's just got these really random nuggets along the way of life. Talking about things, not people not things of his son, spilling a cup of ice cream in his brand-new car that had leather seats, and convertible and all this kind of stuff. And he's he looked up, and he saw his son with like just this scared look on his face like he know he did something wrong. He knew he did something wrong and Daddy was going to get mad. So all he did was turn his ice cream up and throw it on the seat as well to show him that. It's okay. It's okay, that we have nice things but it's okay. Like you matter, your relationships matters more to be so than this awaiting car. I didn't. Courage, the last lecture and if you're not a reader, go watch the Youtube video of him actually giving the last lecture because well, thank you laugh. Make you cry and leave you inspired well knowing you, I think you'd be more worried about the ice cream than that's good often. I will have to check that out. What is one question? I you I have not asked that you wish I had and I really like Tim Ferriss has if you could put anything on a billboard, what would you put or the best piece of advice people received? Because I don't know. I just always find it. Interesting? What people say when they have that question, what would you put on a billboard and near you're going to say that? So I almost stopped myself. Mid-sentence saying maybe I shouldn't do this. We're best piece of advice. Pick one or any doesn't have to be the best but just another piece of advice. You have already given a ton. Yeah. You know I can't just give one. So I am To give to one is empathy will be the skill that separates you in the future. And what I mean by that is when we all become technologically, advanced, AI driven World machines are running us more than we're running machines, which I am an optimistic, I don't think that's a scary thing. I think there's plenty of examples. Why empathy will separate you from a skill set from a career, from a personal standpoint. So I would encourage everyone to sit there and think not at what is this person? I think, why are they saying it? What's in their history? To make them be where they are and saying nothing. And the second thing is the best piece of advice I have ever received in my career, which is meet people where they are. And I think what that means is physically, emotionally intelligently, whatever it is. Somebody is at a different place than you are. When you're trying to communicate with them, don't shout at him. Don't tell them, they're wrong. Try to meet them where they are, and then bring them wherever you're trying to bring them. So, So I guess Emily. Yes, I am listening to both of these pieces of advice. I know how to spell empathy. So that's a start. That's better than me because I would have to look at her throat. Gosh, that's good. Those go hand in hand. I think very well. So, all right, sir. Matt, this has been great. Where can our listeners reach out to you? So you can go check me out at ice cream with investors. I am on all your favorite Podcast apps, Google Spotify, Stitcher Apple. You can also find me on LinkedIn. I am Matt for based in Nashville Tennessee, you will see my ugly mug up there and then also check out the website. We're still building the doubt right now, but ice cream with investors.com. That's a really I look there aren't that many podcasts that I listen to. I listen to a lot of podcasts, but, you know, I skip episodes. I am human right, but I do listen to yours regularly. So, So there must be something about it that draws me in. I really it's light-hearted but there's a ton of really good information and you have a lot of different types of different angles of investing and the human element is definitely there as well. So I really enjoyed and I encourage our listeners to check it out. So, thanks for. Thanks for coming on. Matt, I appreciate you joining us in spending your time with us today. Absolutely, we will have to do it again. Absolutely, for the listeners out there. Please go out. Give us a rating and review, and we appreciate you spending your most valuable asset with us your time. Thanks everyone.

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