Josh Kalinowski: How a Professional Baseball Player Overcame a Crushing End to His Career to Become a Purpose-Driven Leader and CEO

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 This episode is sponsored by the Integrity income fund, which is managed by yours truly and my team at Labrador lending, the Integrity income fund is for accredited investors. It aims to pay an eight percent preferred return and an 8.5% preferred return for early investors. It aims to pay out monthly distributions. There's a 25 thousand dollar minimum and only a one-year lockup. If you are an accredited investor and you're looking to get away from Wall Street, looking to beat inflation and looking for an asset class that is backed by hard physical real estate then look no further than Integrity income fund, check it out at Labrador Lending.com. What's up everyone? Today I got just had the chance to chat with Josh Kalinowski and it was inspiring to say the least, Josh is a former baseball player, professional baseball player for the Colorado Rockies and.

Speaker 1

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 He's just.

Speaker 2

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 Incredibly inspiring and dropped so much practical advice in this episode. But also just that, that human element that the show is all about. Really is the ideal candidate for this podcast. He, you know, he went through a couple different rounds of serious adversity. One was having to leave professional baseball where his identity was entirely wrapped up in that and, you know, it's on some levels. I can relate a little bit, but it just when your identity is wrapped up in one thing, and he talks about not being one-dimensional, It can be very problematic when that one thing goes south or, so he didn't know which way was up. He had to return home to his small town and you know kind of figure out who he was again and then got into real estate and then 2008 happened and Everything crashed again. So we talked about those two periods of his life. That were extremely challenging, but how he rebounded is just phenomenal. He now has seven businesses, I believe, and he talks about real estate being at the center and then their spokes that come off of that, but he's a man of faith and, and prioritize his family and finances and fitness. And I can't remember there's one more Ref the future. I think. So, I think you guys are going to love this one. He works. He does work with men mostly in his own community that he started. But I think there's something in this episode for everyone. I know you're going to really enjoy it. Thanks inspiring stories of real people. Overcoming incredible odds to live life to the fullest. We are all guaranteed to face. Hardships.

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 Abundance. Welcome everybody to another episode of the form adversity, to abundance podcast. I am your host Jamie Bateman. And I am thrilled today because we have a special guest joining us today. Josh Kalinowski. Josh, how are you doing?

Speaker 1

03:59

 Today? I am doing awesome. Jamie, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2

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 Brother. Absolutely, we were chatting a little bit before we hit record and I think this is going to be a fantastic episode. So let us dive right into it. Who are you? And what are you up to?

Speaker 1

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 Today? Yeah, you been my man. So I am an owner CEO. Hopefully Problem Solver a lot of challenge. You things have got a number of companies, I am a father of four married to a rock star of a woman as well too. And at the end of the day, I think I am just kind of goal, Crusher. Really good at doing hard stuff on purpose and gleaning everything I can out of the day. So that's where I am at now. It's definitely not where my journey started. I will.

Speaker 2

04:43

 Tell you. That's a, that's a great description. That's really good. So and just real quickly before we jump back into your backstory. So what is it specifically that you do in business right now?

Speaker 1

04:55

 Yeah, so I have got a number of companies that I am either CEO of or co-owner of. So anything from real estate property management we have real estate investing as well too. We have a roofing company, a media company and I had a Jim at one point in time, this is something you. And I kind of talked about finally actually shut that down partnership, wasn't the best. And it wasn't really, it was sucking more life out of me than giving me life. And so, so we actually shut that down this last year. And then right now, one of the things that we have been really super focused on as a group called man-made and that is like a super big passion of mine, that finally, getting to the point in my life, where I have a little more freedom to do that and kind of Chase and build that.

Speaker 2

05:39

 Company that's all. Some so you have nothing going on then got it. Pretty.

Speaker 1

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 Much exactly. Yes. Very easy all day.

Speaker 2

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 Yeah so that I am feeling this is going to be your just yeah I think this is your the ideal guest I think for our show. So I can't wait to get into your story. So yeah, dive into your backstory, you can start off, you know, wherever you'd like. Obviously, we're trying to focus on some hardships and somehow you got through that. Adversity, what lessons? We can pull out of that for the listeners and how, you know, all of us can benefit from unfortunately, from the, you know, the adversity that you have been through. So where would you like to start that man?

Speaker 1

06:23

 Well, you know, I mean, I grew up in a very small town Casper Wyoming. So, as a, as a good athlete, I was a big fish in a very small pond. And I had an opportunity to really go and Chase the Dream I got drafted in, baseball, out of high school, ended up going to. Well first of all, is going to go to University of Notre Dame. Which was like for me the New York Yankees. That was like, sometimes I never watch Rudy when I grew up Notre Dame was the epitome of what I wanted to do as a young, as a young man that fell through at the last hour unfortunately. But I did go to a junior college. I got drafted once again my freshman year and then signed my sophomore year, right before I actually went to the University of Minnesota is really excited to go to University Minnesota. Even though I am a very warm weather kind of guy. Don't know why I would want. Go back up there, but they did play in the Metro Dome. So I was very exciting to play in a dome and I actually love the campus. Great people, great coaches, but have an opportunity to get drafted by the Colorado. Rockies signed as a second, rounder as a left-handed, pitcher had a phenomenal year and got a Chase, my dream, and I was living the life. I was, you know, I didn't have any responsibilities wasn't married and have children. The only thing that I was focused on was myself my Sport and the Your career that I was pursuing. And so did that had a tremendous amount of success as an athlete. And unfortunately, at the age of 26, after a number of surgeries, the Jersey came off and when that Jersey came off my whole, entire identity came off, my purpose died, and all the confidence that I had at once at one point in my life died. And, so I left the game, broken physically, mentally and emotionally, and really became a shell of a man at that time. I was married and my wife was having to put up with. Now, this guy that was so confident in himself and then, of course, from their lack, the confidence at least internally. Obviously, I didn't want to let everybody know that externally. So pursued, I came back home tail between my legs back to Castro, which I never ever would have thought that I had to come back there.

Speaker 2

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 So the man we just real quickly. Yeah, stops. Just a, the, it's not, not quite as dramatic. I don't think, but I You know, I can, in some ways relate, I was fairly high-level Collegiate, lacrosse player, and yeah, as a kid I played baseball, but once I try look Ross, I was like, this is awesome but you know, my I never played professionally or anything. Although I was done get some calls for the indoor lacrosse league, but the I remember just being, you know, once my senior year was abruptly ended, it just you know, your career is over and so again, not identical story, but My entire identity was wrapped up in that and it was honestly probably won't one of the few times of my wife has seen me cry, say the truth. And because I just was just, just crushed, and so I can, I can relate on some level. It's, you know, people who maybe weren't athletes might think. It's your mum might not quite get it, but when you're, that's who you are as a person, pretty much, it's devastating. So yes. So you had to return home in a humbled fashion, I guess it sounds like.

Speaker 1

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 yeah I mean completely humble, you know, I once again when you're in a small town your kind of the hometown hero, and we had a number of baseball athletes that had come out of cast for. So I was the next great thing, you know. And also in a small town to, I mean, I was a very good athlete and another Sports. So there was a lot of notoriety. He got the last name, Kalinowski. Can't really forget that good or bad, right? And so yeah. So I mean to me and I didn't come home because I felt like, okay, it's a safe haven. I came home because I was broke and I didn't know what to do. And really and at that time, go ahead.

Speaker 2

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 You're out of options. It sounds, I will write. Yeah, I.

Speaker 1

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 Mean my wife was going to school. She was becoming an RNG was down in Denver, Colorado. Denver was a rat. Wait Rat Race. It was a super intimidating because I am like, here, I am 26 years old and, you know, and sports when you're twenty six-year-old. Old like, you're not at home anymore. This is like, you're on the tail end of a career. That is going to end over at, you know, and at 30 or 32 maybe 35 if you're lucky, right? Sure. The, my mentality was I was too old to go back to school. I was broken and I don't know what to do. And so my father is great of as a man, as he is, and was at that time, he didn't have a lot of words of wisdom for me, you know, he just said well, Hey, listen, why don't you come back? If you can sell my homes because he was a builder, you can get your real estate license and then, you know, Hey, listen, it's okay. You know, I move on to the next chapter of your life. I know it was hard, but he had no clue how hard, right? Right, right. I mean he was my one of my, my biggest allies and a great friend of mine growing up. He was, you know, they're not just a dab. It was super close to me as well, and, but he still didn't have a clue of how hard and how bad that was for me, you know, somewhere like um, came home. I was completely humiliated in that sense. And, and once again, broken my wife came back eventually, as well, to, when she graduated, we started a family. I got into real estate. It was 2006. The markets going, crazy. I am going okay, I can just, I can drown my sorrows in the success that we're having in this. Maybe this is what I am supposed to do. Of course, obviously 2008 comes and it was devastating. I am questioning everything in life and an even more. So I am questioning am I just going to be Failure ever. And, you know, long story short, it's the age of 40, finally, at age 35. I started getting into Dave Ramsey, starting to figure out. Okay, well, this is kind of cool. I like this guy, I love his leadership skills. He had this really great formula focused intensity over time x, God equals Unstoppable momentum. I grabbed ahold of that and I just lived it and I said, okay, I am gonna have Focus intensity and I know it's going to take time, and I am going to multiply this by my faith and as a man of faith and I know that it's going to create Unstoppable momentum in myself, and so I did that I would read one of the greatest books book that I recommend everybody and every man Play The Man by Mark Patterson, humbling Game Changer, my life and it gave me a greater like a vision for what I could potentially become that I wasn't broken that I could be healed that I could pursue greatness and my life again and that path and journey has led me to this day when, you know, I am out there and yeah, the pain still hurts, the pain of the past still hurts, right? I wish I would have been able to retire in San Diego, on a golf course with my family because a 20 years of playing the sport, but that just wasn't my destiny. It wasn't a guide have in my purpose and, you know, 99% of the time. I am really good with it but of course there's always those 14 times you just gone and why not.

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 Sure why? I think it's a great example of, you know or kind of solidifies the point. Like we I bring up on the show regularly which is it's not like you just had a period of adversity and then you flip the switch and now it's all abundance you had. It's a bit of a roller coaster sounds like and, you know, you're still going to face adversity going forward, right? And I am an everyone is. So which is the kind of the point of the show is for us to be able to pull out. You know, Lessons Learned From sounds like two major periods of We're talking about one is the you know you're the end of your professional baseball career which is much more involved in just that statement. But and then secondly, the 2008 and kind of financial crisis and the so to kind of professional related, You know, you know use the term failure. I don't necessarily see it that way but major periods of adversity, what would you say kind of you touched on this already? But how did you what was kind of common between those two periods that you how you were able to you know what were you able to focus on what got you through those two?

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 Periods? Yeah I mean I think you know obviously looking back at that time at the age of 26 I realized how immature I was in so many other areas of life very In certain aspects of it but I feel like once again as you look at so many guys and men and female but my passion is guys because of the of what we were what were called to do as fathers and husbands and as business owners and is leaders, I look at how one dimensional and two-dimensional men are has supposed to be in this three-dimensional guy, and I was most certainly that I was one-dimensional at best. And so really, what end up happening to that diversity? It exposed the shallowness and the exposed really how much I needed to grow in these other areas of my life, especially with this new responsibility of being a husband, the soon-to-be responsibility being a father. And so I was able to grow through that. I mean, it's painful it was hard and but.

Speaker 2

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 Sorry. What do you? Can you drill down on the three dimensions? Real quick, what do you mean by that? Exactly. What's. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. Well, yes, he's Dimension.

Speaker 1

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 Yeah, I mean, it really, you know, I can go to If you, if you want to, if you went three dimension and be like Business, Health and life, right? But really what we talked about and what we believe in is 55 foundations that everybody should have in their life and is a very specific sequence in it as well too. So you know, First Foundation is faith, faith. Not only I believe in the spiritual aspect of life, but also Faith within yourself. If you're not building that Faith within yourself, you cannot be as strong as you need to be. You cannot be, as you cannot have the responsibility that you want in a greater passion. And so it's a very, very important and it's got to start there, too. Because, once again, if you don't have those principles in your life, how are you going to have success and be the best, father mother daughter, husband wife all these. So you start with that Faith Foundation, of course, it moves into family. I have never met anybody that's ever been on their deathbed that said hey I want to spend more time at work. I am so pissed off that I didn't have another three hours each week and my work they always say. Alright, I wish I would have spent more time with my kids. I wish I would have spent more time with my wife. Right? Sure, mark. Person. One of the things that he talks about in his book, play the man, and I was just, it's something that has resonated with me ever. Since I read it was this, it was, it was a lady talking about her first husband who actually had passed, and then she remarried and both marriages were great. Both men were great but one observation she said she's I always knew that you know her first husband John and who always knew that he loved the Lord. And then her second husband was that I always knew that Mike loved me. Me. And that always sat with me because where are our priorities, and, of course IV, so we believe in faith but also like are you showing the people that you care most about how much they mean to you. Right. So that's why family is that second and most important foundation that you need to build on the other one is, is your Fitness, right? How many men do we know that are financially set their successful in the business realm of it? But they absolutely are almost diabetic. They're not Disciplined, and they're eating, they don't exercise. And thus they don't have the energy to be the father or the husband that they need to be. They don't they never go out and do stuff with the guys other than maybe play golf and a sense, right? And I just was like no health and fitness is super important is because that helps with the longevity of Our Lives. We can get a greater impact the longer we live.

Speaker 2

18:26

 Right? Yes. Oh no. That's really good. And I just want to thank you for that free counseling and coaching session and rocking we can end it there. R in all seriousness. I was like, he's talking to me right?

Speaker 1

18:38

 Now.

Speaker 2

18:41

 That's really good. So yeah. And you think you were, you were in a sense too wrapped up in baseball as like it from when you said you were too one-dimensional? Yes. Is that what that meant?

Speaker 1

18:53

 Yeah. I mean basically I had my foundations all jacked up, right? I mean, the most important thing. So you go into fitness and then, of course, finances got to be there, right? We know that they, we need to create abundance. We Create wealth in our life. There's nothing. But that is a fantastic. We should be Desiring as well, too. Sure.

Speaker 2

19:11

 Well, that might be where the you part with the Dave Ramsey? Yes. Correct. But we don't have to go there. Yeah, right. Well, he.

Speaker 1

19:18

 Talks about debt. I think debt is good too, so we don't really agree with that either. So, you know, I understand insecurities of maybe being over leveraged, but surely, it can be a powerful thing. I will tell you the buildings that we have, the things that we are able to accumulate building our wealth. If I, if I didn't take on any debt, I would still be in a shack. So sure. Absolutely. But there is Prudence in that as well too. And then the last thing of course is few is your future. You got to be looking at your future right so you got your faith, Family Fitness, finance and your future. I will say that the one dimension of me was it was financed and it was Fitness. That was it, got it? And even my fitness was messed up to, it wasn't like the prioritizing of really, what do I need to be focused on it? It was more of the How is my outwardly appearance looking? Make sure that my fitness is awesome, right? So that was why it's one-dimensional got.

Speaker 2

20:13

 It makes perfect sense. And I think and one of the I would say, the most common theme that I have been able to pull out of the 25 episodes. We have done so far is at some point. There's a switch mentally with each guest in each of their stories from focusing on themselves to focusing on Serving others. And, you know, you know, future makes sense because the other four really tie in they all relate, right? And so the other four are really focused on the future and but it sounded to me like you in each of those five principles when you were talking through the, maybe you are focused on their importance? In the way that they affect other people. It's not. And, you know, it sounds like your Fitness used to be. How do you look for?

Speaker 1

21:03

 Yourself?

Speaker 2

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 And nothing wrong with that. I mean, you know, others. That was attracting sure footing, but it was attracting for you. Right? I mean, and is not me judging, I am just trying to analyze. You're absolutely right. And we have all gotten wrapped up in that, but I think one of the things sounds like, you know, that makes that's consistent with some of the other stories. Most of the other stories we have had is that you made a switch to kind of step back and look at the big picture and think about how you And best serve others and make an impact. Hopefully, I am not putting words in your mouth. It's just one of the things that I pulled out of what you were just.

Speaker 1

21:43

 Saying. Well, I think once again, it goes back to when you lose your purpose in, we're always searching for that next greatness, that you can discover within yourself or with in your life, right? You get to that point where you're like, okay, maybe instead of focusing on myself in the sense of the selfishness, right? What if I served at a greater level and I started helping other people write what? Because it also brings into you like, okay, so what is it that I can offer? What is the value that I do have, and then we all, you know, one thing that you do discover, as you get older is that it's the exact Brokenness that you feel like you had the experiences that you went through the failures that you had gone through. Well, that's what that, that's the value you bring to people. That's the lessons that you can help with other people. That's the credibility. You get with other people as well to, right.

Speaker 2

22:31

 Yeah. So, you can take a long time to get there, I think it, you know, Mentally. It's not when you're in them. In the adversity, is not like, oh, great. This is fantastic. I can't use this totally sucks. So, you talked about age, 35, and 40. And can you take us from 35 too today? Just to kind of finish up the, the backstory there.

Speaker 1

22:53

 Batman. Yeah, I mean really, when an immediate end up happening is I had to turn 40. And this is really more of the psychological part of this is that I felt like, at the age of 40, I feel like I gave myself permission to be a man. Like I just, I don't know why it was, but it's like, okay, when I turned 40, I now I am old enough to be the man, and, but I needed to acquit, myself. And so what I did is I finally figured this, I don't know, I was an athlete. I would never was a scholar. And so, at the age of four is like, well, if I got a coach when I was an athlete, why don't I get a coach when I am wanting to be in business and be successful in business? Because I am lacking the knowledge here. So I got a coach, he sucked, he was terrible. I don't know how to Of it. But then I found the right guy, though, I found the right coach and that was the game changer for me and it, and it absolutely evolved me and took years off of my life, in order to get to where I am today and I just saw the importance of okay. You know, I went from one extreme to the next where I was always looking at myself investing in myself, it was all about me to be in a servant leader and then I got to that point to or is like okay, no, no, I have to start investing in myself again. So that I could be an even greater leader.

Speaker 2

24:07

 Right? The purpose is much greater than it was before. Absolutely. Yeah, got it. Nothing wrong with investing in yourself. That's, but.

Speaker 1

24:14

 It's the most people don't, most people, don't they? Or they think that. Okay, I am going to mess myself to get and I will watch YouTube channels are all see what for free, they don't realize the importance of even the financial commitment, be writing that check for two thousand dollars a month for somebody to Mentor, you that puts a whole different amount of accountability than well, I am just To subscribe to this guy's free Channel and get as much as I can. Possibly get you got no skin in the game, dude.

Speaker 2

24:40

 Not. So you just reminded me of a prior guest, his name's fuquan Bilal, and he was, I was telling him that I was, I would been a little bit, you know, of a cheapskate with regard to masterminds and things like this and just because you know I just you know you want to make sure your business is profitable in the short term and you know, get wrapped up in the weeds kind of thing, and he almost came Through the Monitor. And he's like, that's a mistake, you know? And so kid. You not. He's a big reason that I joined the Mastermind that you and I are both in. And, so I have personally started to, you know, see the benefit of actually investing in myself and my business and that kind of thing in ways that other people would view as a total waste of money. So how for The Listener out there who maybe is an entrepreneur and You know, they don't have a business coach and you know, how did you go about? What was the difference between? When you found your the first coach, who was terrible and your, your second coach, you was great, what was what were your approaches there and finding your coach?

Speaker 1

25:51

 Yeah, I mean really, the first one was just desperation, you know, I was at that point in time, it was 2012. We were going through another bust personally through our in our, in our community. We ran oil and gas industry related, you know, economy here in Casper and so 2012 is very hard on us. It got to that point where I am like listen I got fifteen thousand dollars in the bank. I don't know how many more months I can be pay employees, and so I literally just bet on myself and said okay I am going to I have been to pay the $500. I was like it's 599 and then once again when that wasn't working out is like okay well who do I know? And then I had a really good friend that was you know he's kind of mentor already. I just wasn't paying him. I just thought I would ask him for advice and I said, you know if there's anybody in my life right now that I want to be mentored by, it's this guy. And so, I just reached out and said, Hey listen, I am paying my coach this, I am going to let him go and I don't even know if you coach, I don't even know, but I would pay you. I pay you to Mentor me. And he's like, actually, I am with the same organization. I am at the elite level and it costs twice as much. And I am like, oh son, but it was amazing for me to say, okay, I am going to invest these last dollars. Try to myself because I need to be the guy that leads this organization. And I will tell you, from that moment, on things started to change. I started to believe in a system because I believed in my coach, I didn't have any belief in myself, right? So I took his belief in me and that's what a lot of soup repel and start to actually change. Of course, I also believe in as a man of faith, I feel like, you know, I was obviously God had an impacted as well too, but I will tell you this eventually that relationship became a friendship and it No longer a mentorship. And, so I had to choose, I had to find another Mentor, mmm. Right. And it took me two years to find out renter because I knew what I was looking for, wasn't necessarily looking for a coach anymore. I was looking for a mentor. I was looking for somebody that is going to walk us. I would me. And then also the value, like, with the Mastermind that you and I are in is not necessarily all about like the content, but it's very Community yesterday. People, who am I going to get connected with, who's going to be the contact? That's going to help change that and help me grow and it's Always monetary, right? Yes, financially, it'd be awesome. If we were able to grow each other's businesses, and we saw that financial success but honestly, it's the other stuff, too. Of like, man, you're helping me become a better. Father, you're helping me become a better decision maker, your building, my confidence, so that I can go and do other things in my life that are more important matters. What's given piece? That's what's given me excitement. That's why the man that I am today is here right now with the excitement and the joy, and the determination is because of.

Speaker 2

28:34

 Everybody that I am surrounded by now with, yeah, that makes it makes a ton of sense. That's really good as you were speaking. I thought of there is a lot to get to off on the, you know, religious path. But there isn't there a Bible verse about your where your treasure is your heart will follow or something like that. So it makes sense that you kind of had a when you make that Financial commitment, you have make a mental and emotional commitment as well and so it's bigger than just writing a check. So that's really good. And then like you said, it's not just the financial benefit that comes back with these masterminds and coaching and mentorship. It's much bigger than that which gets to your the 5, the 5S, right? So yeah it all comes, comes full circle so that's really good stuff before I get into some more rapid fire questions, is there anything else as far as kind of Lessons Learned you could take from On the adversity that you have been through that, our listeners could take away and apply in their own.

Speaker 1

29:39

 Life. Yeah, I mean I think the biggest mistake that I think we make is we look at people's successes and feel like that's exactly how their day-to-day is. And so they just never have to deal with issues you and I are going to talk a little bit about like just the challenges of business, the challenges of life and what I would say and I just want to, I want to I want people to remember is that you know the challenges are always going to be there. When you're doing great things you can't help but have tough situations. Because you're constantly growing. You're constantly evolving. You're doing new things that you don't even really maybe know how to do but you're challenging yourself to step into that Arena, right? But what it does is it allows you to have the armor on to deal with the situation. It empowers you to look at that situation not anymore as a victim but as an opportunity to say okay I am going to learn something through this. I know that I signed up to do hard things but you know it because of the person that I want to be maybe not the first time yet because the person I want to be I am willing To go through that challenge, right? You have difficult challenges probably multiple times throughout the week. I have difficult challenges and conversations multiple times out of the week but because of who I want to be right? And willing to step into that and I will tell you that's when you know that you're following your passion that's when you know you're following your purpose and so don't avoid the challenges. Don't avoid the difficulties because that's how you create personal integrity. Equity. That's how you create a thority that's how you create a life that you are Desiring, to put it pursues and get through. As you want stay there anymore.

Speaker 2

31:14

 But you want to get that. That's, that's the yeah, that's the kind of interesting balance. I find with this, you know, doing these shows is a everyone talks about the benefit of the adversity and the pain but then, you know, we don't necessarily seek it out but I think it is extremely comforting in the moment to no, no, this is Life isn't supposed to be easy all the time. And there is going to be benefit that I will receive. And others will receive because of this pain and Challenge and hardship that I am going through. Doesn't mean it's not difficult but it just adds more value and purpose to that adversity. So yeah, that's really good. So I am going to fire off a few rapid fire questions if you're good with that. Sure, buddy. What do people misunderstand about.

Speaker 1

32:05

 You? Oh brother man. Probably a lot of right? You know I think because I am such a driven guy and I have such high standards on myself that I think what's misunderstood obviously is that one either? I don't fail a lot that I don't have internal struggles or lack of confidence in certain areas. You know, that I know all the right answers or I would say 24 those, especially Are not even in our Circle, but maybe they're just from the outside looking in. I think a lot of people think that life is perfect and it's so far from that. Yeah, it's really.

Speaker 2

32:46

 Good. If you could go back and give your 18 year old self some advice, what would it?

Speaker 1

32:52

 Be? I say two things. One is Enjoyed the moment. I was always looking at the future. I was always looking at the Final Destination, so my head was down. I didn't build those relationships. I didn't enjoy who I was around for the most part or build and build lifelong relationships with guys. So, enjoy the moment would have been one of it and the other thing too, is that I also am a firm believer that there is no plan B, I am still bleeding plan. A is just, this is what God's choice was not mine and, and If I am still on Plan D, it doesn't matter. All the things that have happened in my life. Those are all the things that I needed in order to be where I am at.

Speaker 2

33:36

 Now. It's really good hadn't. I haven't heard it phrased that way, that's really good. If you could go back and have coffee or a drink or whatever with maybe an ice cream, I don't know with any historical figure. Who would you.

Speaker 1

33:51

 Choose man? Any historical figure.

Speaker 2

33:56

 Doesn't have to be the greatest person ever. But sure, you know, somebody That comes to mind. Yeah, you know, it's.

Speaker 1

34:02

 Funny, I had this conference, I had this question asked, but more of like, if you could have a conversation with anybody, who would it be socially back in time? You know? I don't know, brother. I am a huge Theodore Roosevelt fan. I think Teddy's just awesome. I think he would be quite an amazing guy. But I will say, here's what I would actually, I would really I would want to either speak to King David, or King Saul. Okay. Yeah, I think it does guys would be epic sit at their table.

Speaker 2

34:36

 They'd make some a couple of good guests on my show.

Speaker 1

34:39

 And.

Speaker 2

34:42

 They have got some stories, right? All right. So if you had to write a book this year, what would it be about?

Speaker 1

34:51

 Well, that's a great question, because I am actually in the middle of writing. The seven. Is that a softball for you? Yeah, that was awesome on that one. So the book, the second book that I am writing, Right now is titled. Nice guys failed? Why good men need to do great things again and it's really about just honestly where we find ourselves as a culture. Why this idea of you got to be a nice guy for so long and why our culture has suffered from that. Why guys don't even, they don't even know who they are, men aren't stepping up taking on the responsibilities and the opportunities that are before them, we have advocated that for the last couple of couple Durations and uh, you know, the families broken because of us, I think a lot of the things that our society is broken because of us as men and, you know, back in the day back in like if you look throughout history men back, then were not great. They were good, they were good men back in the day because they were flawed. They had a lot of these. We just talked about, you know, King David. Oh my gosh, many flaws, and he had King Solomon at the end of his life. Had a lot of flaws that he had in his life, but they were, but they Did great things, right? And I think the mistake that we were making now is that we are trying to put this expectation of great on people's shoulders, right? You got to be a great man. No, no. You have got to be a good man because you are flawed got to be a good man and you have to be willing to do great things in your life, right? And so, we're working on that book is all about, first of all. What does it take to be a good man? How do we become a good man? And then what are the You're sick characteristics that you can live to be doing great things and so you have greatly pleased just to give us some awesome. It's been so much fun to look in history and go and be able to provide exceptional examples of good men. And the great things that were accomplished because they were willing.

Speaker 2

36:47

 To say yes that's fantastic. I didn't expect that good of an answer to be honest with you I think that's really good. Now I will follow up with what's your what's the name of your first.

Speaker 1

36:59

 Book? The first book was strike 3, what are you doing? The game's over but life's not.

Speaker 2

37:05

 There you go. I love it. Looks like people can get that on your website too yep. Let us see here. All right. What's if it's not your book but what's another book that you recommend?

Speaker 1

37:19

 Yeah, well it was one that I mentioned earlier when it comes to, if you're it's on a personal growth side of things, I would say that Mark Patterson's play the man is one of the most epic inspirational books that I have read. I read it. I actually read it once a year because I just need to be reminded of all the great content in that. Mark, Patterson is one of my favorites. Authors as well too. So I would say that it's on the business side of things, there's a great book. I am trying to remember what it is. It's all about taxes. And in fact, he's in our Mastermind group as well too. So.

Speaker 2

37:59

 You should know. Yeah, yeah, so I can picture who you're talking.

Speaker 1

38:03

 About but yeah, Todd, it's Todd Meredith, and.

Speaker 2

38:07

 It is, what is it? What is it? I will tell you in a second.

Speaker 1

38:12

 Of course, I can't remember, but he's, it's all good. Yeah. Capital.

Speaker 2

38:18

 Capital preservation Services is coming. But isn't it capital Crusaders or something?

Speaker 1

38:24

 Sounds right.

Speaker 2

38:27

 Let us see. All right. What's one question that you wish? I would ask that I haven't.

Speaker 1

38:34

 Man, really? Okay. Yeah. That's a good one. I don't know. Nothing man. You just a job brother.

Speaker 2

38:41

 You used to throw the curve balls and now I am throwing.

Speaker 1

38:43

 Yeah, I know. So I would say this that you know, why are you able to attack life that you are a now with all of the challenges that you still continue to fix. And, so I would say this, I Am very, very simple easy formula that I discovered, as I was going through like I am sick and tired of ending the day exhausted. I was sick and tired of ending the day, just completely worn out. Not feeling like I accomplished anything, not that. I like I didn't do anything purposeful or I didn't make any ground going forward. I just put out fires man groans. I think we can all relate to that, you know, as a business owner CEOs entrepreneurs. It's like I don't even know what I did today or this week or this month sometimes, right? So the formula that I use that really has brought life into my day, is called the pill Pi LL and I won't go too deep into it. You can actually if you go to Josh Kalinowski.com you will find out but it stands for every day do something painful. Every day do something intentional, every day, do something that you're lazy at and then every day do something that you love to do. And I can give you and we go into much greater detail in that and what that looks like. But those are the four principles that you can do on a daily basis that will give Fulfillment every single day.

Speaker 2

39:58

 It's awesome. It sounds very doable to I mean, yes, it's practical that's really good. So before we wrap up, why don't you talk a little bit more about your own business and businesses? I should say, I am curious, not just with your coaching, if that's, you know, your primary business but the other businesses is just kind of. How does that all work? What like, what does your day look like from a business standpoint? How do you your business is all kind of play together? Yeah you bet.

Speaker 1

40:29

 So I really have developed it in the. An aspect of this is if you think of a wheel and you have got the Hub at the middle of that, right? The Hub is real estate and as I was looking at, because we are so volatile as a market, you never know when you're going to go into a recession here, I wanted to insulate myself as much as possible. So what I did is I created companies that aligned really well with real estate and so on, Diversified into Property Management. I Diversified into our personal portfolio of our own properties that we have for Investments. And of course, I have got some business partners as well to a non other one. We have a roofing company, my father was a builder and I always wanted to get into Roofing because I am in real estate, we're looking at roast every single day. There's always whether an inclement weather that's happening. So we Diversified we get into that. He still business partner even though he's retired, and he's just kind of the guy that receives the A check which is awesome. Father deserved it, he's worked many years in order to do this. And so we have got roofing company. We have a media company once again, for all of our companies is met. It's important for us to get our, our, our names out there to be recognized on the social media aspect of things. And so we have an internal Media company that runs all of the stuff for our companies. And then the one that's just really kind of outside of that is what's called man-made. And that is a group that It's an exclusive group for retired, professional athletes, veterans, and current professionals, such as yourself. And so, it's an exclusive event. Our exclusive space for men to find their tribe guys, that will push them that will, you know, hear them and then appreciate them.

Speaker 2

42:19

 Now, why? So I am a veteran as well. I am just curious why veterans in particular.

Speaker 1

42:25

 Yeah. Because I think, Winds are very much like the professional athletes. Where, you know, when the uniform comes off, you lose your identity to sure you use for live life at this. This level of Excellence for so long and then you get into normal life in your library. Why is everybody so average?

Speaker 2

42:42

 Yeah, I was in the reserves I did do about four years of active duty time, but yeah, I didn't have the same mind was tied up more in sports and that kind of thing. My identity I can I totally get what you're saying. A lot of these guys that come in doing that. Or 17 and get out 20 years later. And it's like, now, what? They don't know what which way is up, so that's awesome. So, if you were to, I know, we got to run here. If you were to, like, how do you approach starting a business, like, say next year you're like, you know what? I am going to start a 1/8 business. Yet another spoke on this wheel. Yeah, what is that? What's your, where your first couple steps? What happened, what's your approach there?

Speaker 1

43:22

 Yeah. Well, we are actually gonna start another business. We're actually getting into solar, okay? And can, the reason why is that it's a tremendous compliment to our Roofing and it's a compliment to our Investment Portfolio. It's a compliment to real estate and even a compliment to our property management. So once again, it fits in that line of our spoke, right? Sure. And we can use multiple resources already, so I don't have to get another CFO already. Got a phone, I don't have to get another Media company. We got a media company, right? I don't necessarily have to get another lead guy because we have got lead people already, right? So I do I will have to get a sales person, there's no doubt about that. I will say that one lesson I have learned is I don't want to start anything from scratch anymore. I don't want to just reinvent something to be like, okay, I am gonna do this on my own right? Like, I don't need what I look at is like what are the existing opportunities when I buy a company? Or can I partner with a company that they're already at the systems in place? They already are the processes. They have already got all the materials and then let us bring it in here, and then we can multiply from there.

Speaker 2

44:25

 Yeah, that's really good. I love that approach. That's I mean, it's just everything you're talking about, it's very practical and you know why reinvent the wheel and was the spokes again? Yeah. But you can maybe take something that's existing and make it better. Make it more efficient or something like that but you know we I do mortgage note investing, and then we just, we started a Loan Servicing Company, which is related and now I am a client of that company. And it's so it's not, oh, something entirely different word. Not starting an automobile company or something. I would have no idea what I was doing. So exactly.

Speaker 1

45:02

 That's really good made a mistake in that I made the to say. That's why I had we had a gym. I didn't really have a fit guy, but I am like, I don't really know how to run a gym, and they're quiet. That's why it failed. Gotcha. Yeah.

Speaker 2

45:14

 Curious about the property management company because I have debated with that, you know, myself on that one recession, do it mans. I do have a couple pay a couple property managers, and like I said, I could do that. That. But anyway, this is Josh's has been fantastic. I know you have to run. I do really appreciate you coming on any final thoughts ways. Our listeners can reach out to you. Anything you want to catch on. Yeah.

Speaker 1

45:44

 Absolutely. But what do you think, what? Real quick on the business side of it too. Don't make the mistake that I am running. All of the businesses either, I am the Visionary, and my job is to hire the integrators. And that is And nice great of evolution in my life knowing that I have got to step away from the day-to-day operations of a lot of these things find the right person in that seat, it might take a while. It's only taken me many, many years to get to that point in my life. I am still involved heavily in a lot of things, but I have the group, I have great integrators that are doing the day-to-day operation. So if you have multiple companies that are you say, you need to have that just for your own.

Speaker 2

46:18

 Sanity. The who not how is, is coming to mind but that's, that's really good. Good advice, yeah.

Speaker 1

46:25

 Yeah, they want to follow me. I do a daily. Well I try to do it daily on Instagram. I give you the first 15 minutes of my day 8:30 mountain central time, I called drive time. I give you ice talk about a challenge that either. I am facing or that. I want to challenge you with, in a sense. So you can follow me there. That's a great way to follow it. Guys, if you are looking for your tribe, you're looking for, guys, if you're a veteran, once again, former professional athlete. Or if you are a current professional Running Company, some like that and you're just, you don't have your tribe. You don't you look around you and you're like, I am sick and tired. Tired of just finding guys that want to settle and be one-dimensional. You can go to man Dash made dot-org. We do awesome Alpha camps that we go, and we do epic stuff. We wouldn't climb the grand here in Jackson Hole Wyoming. I was just unbelievable, and we do really fun phenomenal things with guys to help push them all in an environment that helps to build the man again.

Speaker 2

47:19

 So love it. Okay. You're doing some fantastic stuff. Josh, it's really, you know, I hate that you had to go through that the and the adversity that you did, but I think you're because of that, you have been able to, multiply the impact that you're making. So I just want to thank you again for joining us. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1

47:38

 Thanks, Brothers. Pleasure to be on a show and still get to meet you there.

Speaker 2

47:41

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Speaker 1

47:53

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Speaker 2

48:00

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